Baloo76 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 (edited) On Xmas day the dog knocked over my son's guitar, and broke two of the tuner heads. I've done a lot of googling already, learned a lot and answered many of my questions, but I still need some help please? He has this one in a left handed model https://www.epiphone.com/en-US/Electric … e-Sunburst The website says my tuners are: "Epiphone Vintage Deluxe 18:1 ratio machine heads" I wanted just to replace the two broken one's, and keep the guitar original, but would seem from some googling that I can't buy the same "Epiphone Vintage" branded tuners, they are available for warranty replacement only, not retail spares. I do not want to have to drill the guitar, whatever I buy has to be a direct replacement, same size, with all the holes needed in the same place. I found ones that look the same branded Gibson, Kluson, Grover and Wilkinson https://www.thomann.de/gb/grover_135n.htm https://www.thomann.de/gb/gibson_gimh010.htm https://www.thomann.de/gb/kluson_by_got … chanik.htm https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wilkinson-Mach … B01FSS7GK0 Or I could upgrade to something better, and I have found Gotoh SD90-MGT. But I have no idea how to tell if they are a direct replacement in terms of size and holes. https://g-gotoh.com/product/sd90-mgt/?lang=en So my questions are: 1. Are the Gibson/Grover/Kluson/Wilkinson ones exactly the same as the Epiphone branded tuners I have now? 2. If not what measurements do I need to do to make sure any replacement I buy is a direct fit? 3. What about the upgrade? Will the Gotoh SD90-MGT fit? Any others you'd recommend that are a direct fit? 4. Will my son notice any differnce if I change the ratio from the 18:1 he has now, to for instance the 15:1 of the Gotoh? Thank you!! Edited December 30, 2022 by Baloo76 Add photos of damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnyman Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 (edited) These are direct replacements for Gibson SG and Les Paul (according to the review comments). https://www.thomann.de/gb/grover_135n.htm I suspect that Epiphone use a variety of hardware up to and including GIbson OE Grovers and I doubt they alter the drilling rig to accommodate different sizes so my guess is that they’re a common fit. The only way to be sure of course is to compare the specs of these (and other Grovers) against the physical dimensions of the ones currently fitted. At £58 for the set, I’d be tempted to fit these anyway as a minor upgrade. Edited December 30, 2022 by Skinnyman 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, Skinnyman said: At £58 for the set, I’d be tempted to fit these anyway as a minor upgrade. This ^^^ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Skinnyman said: These are direct replacements for Gibson SG and Les Paul (according to the review comments). https://www.thomann.de/gb/grover_135n.htm I suspect that Epiphone use a variety of hardware up to and including GIbson OE Grovers and I doubt they alter the drilling rig to accommodate different sizes so my guess is that they’re a common fit. The only way to be sure of course is to compare the specs of these (and other Grovers) against the physical dimensions of the ones currently fitted. At £58 for the set, I’d be tempted to fit these anyway as a minor upgrade. Wot 'e sed ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo76 Posted December 31, 2022 Author Share Posted December 31, 2022 Thanks all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnyman Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Good luck with it - let us know how you get on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
